I feel like the people I've been around or influenced by, regarding homeschooling high school are of two extremes, with the majority in the camp of downplaying the rigor of traditional high school. The other extreme are unclear exactly what comprises traditional high school and are more like deer caught in headlights with the immediate thought that "I can't possibly do this" and most choose to enroll their homeschooled children to high school as a result.
As my older son starts eighth grade this month, I'm feeling annoyed at the various sources who are downplaying how rigorous traditional high schools can actually be. This includes the 'how to homeschool high school' lectures I've heard at homeschooling conferences.
In this case, so far, it makes sense for me to categorize the people based on their opinions. I hate pigeon-holing homeschoolers as a general rule since they are such a diverse group, much more diverse and complex than the media or even some homeschoolers themselves will admit. However over the years I see common threads that cannot be ignored. I have known some families for years and watched how their philosophy of education in the earlier years turned out in the end.
The Camps
The first group of people are solidly in the camp of alternative education. They have different ideas for what it means to be educated. In other cases up to this point, when homeschooling younger children they were able to use nontraditional methods or more fun methods or (fill in the blank) and arrive solidly at the same end goal. Thus they feel that high school is no different. If you compare what they are doing to traditional high school the two are completely different animals. Some things these students do is cool and interesting, other times it just seems like they are skimming by doing minimal work, less than the lowest track of public school students is doing. Perhaps the biggest thing going for those teens is they are generally happy people with some genuine interest in some career field, an art, or a sport. What they have going for them over some other kids their age is being a well-adjusted interesting person. That in and of itself has an appeal to college admissions officers, especially if they are well-spoken and interview well or turn out an interesting portfolio which stands out apart from the leagues of traditionally public schooled kids.
The second group is acting under advice about what to teach and how to get to the goal they have in mind for the child. They think they are doing enough or doing more than is adequate. They are confident that the choices they made are right. Other people who judge their reality may think the student's education lacks rigor. Some may accuse the families of being over-confident.
The third group really thinks they know what regular schools do as they have researched it thoroughly. Their child is on a track to seek admission to a college with strict admissions guidelines. These students are usually on a very academic track, it seems they are either doing heavy liberal arts, a solid classical homeschool method or seek a math or science field in college. They know the student must do A, B, and C to meet college admission guidelines. They are working hard to get those requirements done. They tend to be a bit more on the worried side that to get it all done via homeschooling is a huge undertaking. They usually have one or more areas where meeting the guidelines is a struggle (i.e. hard time accessing a community college biology lab course or stressing over which online homeschool course is good enough).
Taking Advice
When taking advice or being influenced by people about how to homeschool high school, or at least even listening to what various options are it helps to try to figure out which of the above category they are in. The degree to which I listen to them or feel their information is credible is also influenced by these factors.
1. What is the goal for their child? It makes no sense for me to take advice on how to homeschool a future engineer from someone who says college is nothing more than a binge drinking fest and they not only feel it's not necessary but they have no intention of sending their children to college. This is a statement made on my local homeschool chat list in the last year; I'm not making up that mindset.
2. What is the parent's own frame of reference or their own experience? I am the product of an alternative college education while my husband had a traditional route including earning an MBA. Should I take advice from someone who is totally clueless about college as they didn't attend and hold little respect for a degree? Should I take advice from a parent who has always worked a blue collar job if my son's goal is engineering? Shouldn't I pay more attention to my engineer friends? Should we listen to people who hold little respect for college or high school? It's one thing to have some negative opinions of one's own public school education but another to choose a homeschooling path that avoids the negative stuff but gives the child a weaker education than the parent actually had, especially when they espouse a goal for homeschooling is to have an education superior to what the public schools provide.
3. If the person has no firm goal for their child and is of the loosey-goosey attitude that "whatever they choose when they are 17 is fine with me", take caution. It takes years to prepare for college admissions in some cases, you can't just scramble in the junior and senior year to meet requirements in all cases. When I hear these situations, I've found that the students wind up taking an easy route such as admissions to a non-competitive college, community college, or don't attend college at all.
4. If the student is extremely gifted or talented in one subject area, take caution. Students may gain admission to colleges based on their talent or giftedness in one slim area while other areas are more average. For example if a student is a child prodigy in playing a musical instrument but barely knows any science or history, I would not take watered down advice from that parent to not worry about teaching my child barely any science or history, especially if my child lacks some special talent and seeks a science career.
5. Homeschoolers who are very religious further confuse things. In one case I know a family in which one parent has a PhD and the other has a Master’s, who had their kids on a rigorous academic track for homeschool. The oldest has decided to become a missionary in a foreign country, she’s not even seeking college admissions now. In other cases, in multiple cases, especially at homeschool conferences, I hear of people who think they have provided a rigorous homeschool education worthy of getting their children into Harvard or Yale, but the children could only get into very religious colleges that happen to be their same religion. From where I stand if the child was truly prepared for admissions to a selective college they would have at least gained admission to some of them not just the religious (non-selective) schools, even if they in the end, chose to go to the religious non-selective school.
My Struggles
I have said it before and I'll say it again. If I fail to provide my children with the necessary requirements to seek their career of choice I will not be able to live with myself. I will have failed my child. In choosing to homeschool, in taking responsibility for their education I have taken on a lot. I do not want my children to be surprised at age 17 that they cannot take the next step that they those for themselves.
However I do not want to be one of those stressed out homeschool moms who is never happy because she's always freaking out about possibly being inadequate.
I use this blog to write out my thoughts and concerns; it's like therapy for me. I sometimes wonder if some of my readers have a different view of me that's not accurate. Perhaps some of you think I'm more anxiety ridden than I actually am. The truth is I have had goals for my kids since they were in Kindergarten but our more relaxed manner of homeschooling which was first unschooling then Charlotte Mason then classical inspired but eclectic is truly more laid back than my plans indicate. Usually my plans don't fully come to fruition. Sometimes our goals are not met but often they are and sometimes they are even exceeded. It is good to work toward a goal and to have a plan but real life sometimes takes us a bit off course. I try to be cognizant of this and revise plans during the year or set different goals the next year to try to move us back to being more solidly working toward that goal again.
What has happened for us is generally we do a lot of extra, added in stuff that is interesting and enriching to my children in a general way. I've been thrown a couple of curve balls with some learning disability diagnoses with my older son that blindsided me (as LDs in homeschooling kids is seldom discussed instead the focus is on over-focusing and celebrating their gifts while keeping their struggling points hidden in the shadows but that's another topic altogether). Our family has had some challenges and experiences I'd not wish on other families but we have survived, life includes stressful events, that's a fact, I just didn't think my kids would experience some of them at young ages, but it is what it is.
In thinking about plans for homeschool high school for my older child I'm a bit of an anxious state right now. I feel that this eighth grade year is a turning point. Shifts in how we have had learning experiences need to be taken to move up to the next level. I'm concerned that too many events held outside the home will occupy our time instead of lessons at home. Yet my worry is what is done away from home is not an equivalent instruction to meet my son's goals or to even compare equally to what is taught in public school.
I also realize I don't have a true understanding of what is covered in high school or how deep it goes. Reading a textbook or knowing what textbook schools commonly use is not good enough. I need to get a grasp on what it will take to teach the content of that textbook. Doing three chapters out of a high school text is not good enough, I don't want to skim or skip or be too superficial with our use of curriculum which is what some people I know are recommending. If a literature course reads ten books in a year I need to know that so I don't focus on just three books. I will not use a job at Scout camp as a high school sociology course on the transcript as the homeschool mom lecturer at the homeschool conference said she did and advised us to do.
I am looking for rational approaches to homeschool high school that are rigorous enough to fulfill admissions requirements for engineering school for my older son. That's what's on my mind today. I don't want to live perpetually stressed out and worried that what we're doing is not good enough. I don't want my kids homeschooling in a panic mode or feeling low-self esteem due to me worrying they are not performing well enough or not doing enough school work to be on par with their peers and thus unable to fulfill their educational goals.
My friend advised me to attend eighth grade open houses at local private high schools which take place early this fall in order to get a sense for the academic scope and sequence and their rigor. My goal would be to meet or exceed those requirements for my engineer wanna-be. To do this I'll have to change some plans I have with my schedule but it may be worth my while.
Some of my confusion is that when I read things like college admissions websites with the requirements and even the brochure from HSLDA that outlines the different tracks for high schoolers those recommendations are only supported by two homeschooling parents I know and so far, no homeschool conference speakers I’ve heard lecture.
I feel like I’m dealing with people who have a very different perception of reality than the other sources have (like the colleges themselves). When you are around so much of this alternate reality it gets hard to determine if I’m the one whose perspective is skewed and it’s hard to decide who is getting their facts right. Which set of recommendations is fact and which is fiction?
I'm so confused!
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Thanks for this post. It gives me a lot to think about for my engineer wannabe (age 8). I am leaning toward the track of an old highschool friend who did partial enrollment on highschool and part homeschool. I will take the plunge one year after you, but my 12 year old is looking at community college, which is much less stressful to prepare for. The next child is looking to be a police officer so also community college. My 14 never was homeschooled but wants to be a photographer. But my 8 year wants to build skyscrapers...how does ANY parent figure the best path for such children? I am also thinking about possibly co-oping in an architecture firm or something along those lines. Right now I am pushing math math math while I figure it out.
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I have a daughter entering 8th grade and what to do for high school is a topic we discuss a lot. While academics is reason to continue home schooling, the social aspect of belonging to group that is not her family, figuring our how to make things happen on her own, and being exposed to ideas which test her values is all about growing up and individuating. I do not think sheltering teens is a good idea. That said, my son who went to public high school learned little and the social experience was terrible. Another thing to think about is whether college is a good choice. The debt to attend college is huge, and there is little certainty that a job will be there to pay off that debt even with an engineering degree. I appreciate you thinking out loud. I look forward to reading more of your posts on the topic.
Thanks for this comprehensive post. My oldest wants to go to public high school simply because he had a dream of NFL football. This gives me a reference to look back on before we make that leap.
for your engineer wanna-be, utilize the community college as much as possible.
I don't remember what the situation is in CT but in SA any student 16 and/or a high school sophomore can take up to 30 credits free. Jack will be taking all math after Alge II and all science after Biology at the CC.
I just wrote about researching individual college requirements to lessen the 'shot in the dark' feeling in regards to high school classes. I'm not sure it went through though-computer was acting weird.
Anyway, as soon as J. even has an inkling about where he wants to go, contact admissions. Many schools now have homeschool admissions counselors.
I'd also start looking at camps at universities. Katie went to a 'philosophy camp' at her first choice. It a) solidified that she wants to go there and wants a liberal arts education and b) gave her an idea of the level of work/thought required in college. She also went for a weekend and went to classes on Friday.
All these things help narrow your focus so you don't waste time on things you don't need and help assure you don't miss something vital.
Obviously, the track I placed Katie on for admission to a small Catholic liberal arts school to major in English is quite different from Jack shooting for the USAFA or at least aeronatuical engineering AFROTC somewhere else.
I know how you feel. I was already "behind" in fifth grade for my daughter. When I enrolled her in public school, their writing project was a five-paragraph expository essay comparing and contrasting the winter and summer olympics. I did not adequately prepare her for that. I cannot imagine what I could have missed seven years further on.
I think all of this research is so important! Enjoy your open-house days. An admission test or two might be interesting as well.
thanks for 'thinking out loud'
i'm not at your stage yet, but i appreciate the critical & balanced views you bring to a (sometimes)insular and competitive environment.
I've fielded a number of email messages about high school, and no one is ever satisfied with my answers. Heh, heh, heh.
My second child just began high school, but interestingly, her younger sister is matching her in nearly every course. Thank goodness for homeschooling, right?
Anyway, in an effort to address the messages I've received, I cobbled together a post about the Misses' studies. Maybe something there will assuage your concerns?
Best regards,
Melissa
Thank you to everyone for posting your comments and reassurances and ideas.
To MFS of Mental Multivitamin blog, I'm touched you took the time to write a post with so much detail on your blog. The one sentence missing from that blog post that I know from past readings of your blog which my blog readers need to know is this: You do not do any activities with other homeschoolers.
(Therein lies my problem. I am guilty of doing too much with other homeschoolers but I have various reasons for doing it or at least trying it. I am one week into the 5 days out of the house thing and already am stressed out. )
TOday wound up being the worst day in our family's homeschool history in that my husband reached a breaking point and declared he wants our son to go to private high school. Maybe if I have time I'll blog it another day but as it stands now we are attending 3 open houses in Sept and October. This will at least show us what they teach then we will see how I/we can swing getting an equivalent education. The point I'm at now is we will have to quit nearly all if not all of our outside homeschool stuff to get it done at home or with online classes or at community college.
The only good thing about this crisis point is my son is taking this more seriously and is committing to doing whatever he has to do including quitting some things in order to get basic academics done to pursue his dream of becoming an engineer. We'll see how long that attitude lasts (sorry if this sounds pessimistic but I'm fried).
To add insult to injury today my PC got a virus from a homeschool co-op document and it took nearly 5 hours and $30 to fix and I was close at one point to losing all my not-backed up data (written works of mine). It's fine now.
I just can't take any more drama today.
Good Night.
Thank you to everyone for posting your comments and reassurances and ideas.
To MFS of Mental Multivitamin blog, I'm touched you took the time to write a post with so much detail on your blog. The one sentence missing from that blog post that I know from past readings of your blog which my blog readers need to know is this: You do not do any activities with other homeschoolers.
(Therein lies my problem. I am guilty of doing too much with other homeschoolers but I have various reasons for doing it or at least trying it. I am one week into the 5 days out of the house thing and already am stressed out. )
TOday wound up being the worst day in our family's homeschool history in that my husband reached a breaking point and declared he wants our son to go to private high school. Maybe if I have time I'll blog it another day but as it stands now we are attending 3 open houses in Sept and October. This will at least show us what they teach then we will see how I/we can swing getting an equivalent education. The point I'm at now is we will have to quit nearly all if not all of our outside homeschool stuff to get it done at home or with online classes or at community college.
The only good thing about this crisis point is my son is taking this more seriously and is committing to doing whatever he has to do including quitting some things in order to get basic academics done to pursue his dream of becoming an engineer. We'll see how long that attitude lasts (sorry if this sounds pessimistic but I'm fried).
To add insult to injury today my PC got a virus from a homeschool co-op document and it took nearly 5 hours and $30 to fix and I was close at one point to losing all my not-backed up data (written works of mine). It's fine now.
I just can't take any more drama today.
Good Night.
We homeschool, but my children are still very small (as in preschool age). However, my husband has a masters in aerospace engineering (I am a School Psychologist). If your son wants to be an engineer, then he needs to have a very strong foundation in math. He should complete Algebra 1, 2, Geometry, Trig, and potentially Calculus. It would also be helpful to have a firm grasp of Physics. A firm grasp of Chemistry and/or Biology would be useful in some specialties but not all. Most universities will only have him take an English composition class, a speech class, a history class, etc. I also think that taking some online classes would be very helpful because he would have to be responsible for keeping up with the work and teaching the material to himself in the event that the class in not structured to his learning style. Most universities he might apply to will care more about ACT/SAT scores (specifically math scores) than anything else.
I wanted to thank you for writing this post. I'm in my first year of homeschooling my 1st and 2nd graders and having many of the same doubts that you are. Am I doing this right? I wanted to offer my small amount of experience for you to chew on. I worked at a public university for a couple of years and have a degree from the university and began my studies in graduate school this year. I actually took this term off to take a break because I feel like I've been in school my whole life. Back to my point, I would stay focused on what your son will need when entering college and not focus so much on the requirements of 8th grade. If you follow his passions I'm sure he will far exceed expectations. Maybe use a few colleges that you've spoke with to work up an outline of what to make sure he's strongest in (typically what he will need in his profession). Mostly have faith in your son, if this is his love, he will flourish no matter what is on his plate (this is not easy). We are very similar in thought process and I am up late at night pondering if what I'm teaching them is going to help them do what they want with their lives.
My daughter, who entered public high school this year, has recently decided that she may want to attend an engineering school someday. We'll see, but at least she'll be prepared for it if that is her choice.
Now in 9th Grade, she is taking Honors Geometry and will have to pass the Regents exam at the end. She'll need an 85 & above to earn an Honors Regents diploma, on this and several other Regents subjects, to have a good shot of getting into selective colleges.
A good way to see what is required in any of the Regents subjects is to take a look at the prep books.
Note that we know a couple of kids who are truly advanced in math, and who took Geometry in 8th grade. That's unusual, but certainly would help a person who wants to follow that track.
In any case, let me know if you have any specific questions about the 9th Grade curriculum. I can speak to what my daughter, who is in the 4yr college track, is doing.
Of course, I'll know more after she's been in school a few weeks.
Have you taken a look at the MIT page for homeschooled applicants? Even if your son isn't quite aiming for the most elite engineering schools like MIT or Stanford, it'd be useful information.
Also, if you haven't joined the HS2Coll Yahoo group, I've heard from friends with teens that's a fantastic resource.
Good luck!
Hi Danielle, Thanks for your comment. I appreciate your concern and your gentle outlook which is appropriate in the early grades such as your children's ages and even through the end of grade 6.
However I disagree regarding grade 8 for prepping for engineering. The issue is the advanced sciences needed in high school require certain math prereq's get done. If they are not ready with maths done they can't start the science. It is kind of like dominoes.
The second issue is some colleges have harder requirements for homeschoolers compared to schooled kids. Some want the SAT subject tests. They are only offered at certain times of the year so the student must have finished the course and be ready to take the test.
By end of grade 12 the student will have had to have completed, ideally:
calc
pre-calc
geometry
trig
algebra II
algebra I
pre-algebra
So to be looking at those maths to get in alignment it IS necessary to be nose to the grindstone in grade 8. In my son's grade 8 he is finishing up pre-algebra and going to algebra I. He will probaby, due to busy-ness, need to work year-round in math and do more than one grade level of math each year.
And if we will use community college or online classes my son has to get the pre-requisites mastered in time for the course start dates, so we have to match our schedule to an outside party's schedule, not as flexible as homeschoolers who study every single thing at home.
Enjoy the early years with your kids, it is a fun time that passes quickly!
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